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Reply to Philippe latest
on: January 5, 2013, 15:45

Dear Philippe,


>>

First I should tell you that very very small clouds are evaporating from “my” sky!>>


(M) Great news! Keep up the good work, dear friend.


>>I agree that each reply shall be about another topic (wholeness is just 1 topic ), but I suppose you agree that an exception could be possible once in a while.>>


(M) There is no rule about this. Reply as you must. I was not so much referring to new topics, rather I was suggesting that we try to keep the threads on particular line of enquiry as hort as possible. A new 'topic, could mean that we just quote the relevant section from one another's previous letter, and reply to it paragraph by paragraph. More or less as I am doing here. But, please, you do not require my permission to decide how you prefer to reply. The thing is wide open.


>>Please find herewith a few additions:


P74 about reality-consideration: observations and experiences can also be misleading, e.g. you see what you expect to see, you taste what you expect to taste,>>


(M) Indeed! Our challenge is to to find ways of seeing beyond the conditioning and to recognise such conditioning which determine and controls our perception. This is what my work is all about. …


>>P77 one of the highest statements that can be made!!!!!>>


(M) Could you kindly quote the actual stament from the book you are referring to?


>>P78 comparability with quanta as particles or waves depending on the approach of perception>>


(M) I must admit, although i sometimes think I have even the slightest grasp of the new physics, quite frankly, I must confess that I am totally ignorant in these matters. Perhaps for you there may be some correlation between what i describe and physics, but I try just to describe what I experience and see. In this way there is no pretense and no confusion.


>>Thanks again for giving me/us the possibility to become really human,>.


(M) If only all of us would take up the challenge for becoming truly human with intensity and passion, the world might be in a somewhat better shape than it is at present. Your own inner nature is the one to thank. It is that alone which has the potential to transform your life. My work only points the way. Or perhaps even just 'a' way.


Hand in hand,

Moller.


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Re: Reply to Philippe latest
on: January 5, 2013, 19:16

Dear Möller,


I am afraid that today my mind is very confused: I am a sissi and as far as I understand the truly enlightened folks are "as dead as ducks" (Enlightenment is not for sissies).I have to absorb all kinds of words, concepts so that today the sky is again almost completely clouded. Maybe this is because I am now also reading your essays, which is too much at the time.


The quote you asked for is from your first book on page 77: “… free from the dualism observer/observed… just the present arising of WHAT IS.”

However you continue (page 83,§3) with… “out there” which you seem to accept as another place than the brain! I was expecting again the real solution/description being WHAT IS. Why should you need a back pulse?? If I hit you, you shouldn’t hit me back for the both of us to know about the first hit? There is no “out there”, but only a construction of the mind. On the quantum mechanical level(it is the most precise and effective science today: computers and laser are important applications) it has been proven that space (and time) does not exist. Next time I can explain in simple terms if you are interested. (I had my education with nuclear physics and professionally I was involved for more than 30 years in the field of electrochemistry-R&D). So just right now for a general understanding of the term "electrochemical impulse", this should be understood as follows: it is the charge transfer between “conceptual” electrons, ions and molecules. If you want to I can further detail in a next message.

In the last sentence from your today's reply, it seems as if you are aware of alternative effective ways to uncover ourselves, which are?


Are you aware of the Science and nonduality conferences? This year it is about sense perception (in the Netherlands, end of May).


Finally, what is your ambition: just being at peace yourself or in addition trying to bring peacefulness to as much as possible other people?


Your friend Philippe who is not.


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Re: Reply to Philippe latest
on: January 8, 2013, 01:07

hello Moller and Philippe,


I am just letting you know that I am eavesdropping on this conversation. Far too metaphysically lazy to have anything meaningful to contribute (at the moment- but watch this space), do you mind if I just hang out here while you talk?

Blessings on both your heads,


Elizabeth


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Re: Reply to Philippe latest
on: January 8, 2013, 07:30

Dear Elisabeth,


Sorry for this inconvenience, it is because of me. Möller is not at all metaphysically inclined (maybe he was in the past) but he is so kind to answer my metaphysical questions. I am reading his first book and since I am just reading the first part, I cannot ask already about the practice he is dealing with in the second part. It is my very nature to understand something before engaging into it. I am looking forward to continue the book and finally get into practice.

Life shall bring me wherever I should be, which is in the here and now.

Being one in practice:) we all bless you!

Namaste,

Philippe


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Re: Reply to Philippe latest
on: January 8, 2013, 08:12

I don't understand why you use the word "inconvenience". This is, after all, a forum, and surely, all sincere questioning and discussion is valid and welcome?

But actually, I do have something I would like to interrupt with, if I may, Moller and Philippe, to take you both up on a small question and answer, which might be going down a side-road (I'm afraid I am inclined to side-roads ). Or am I being impolite and should I open anew topic?

From Forum-dummy, Elizabeth


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Re: Reply to Philippe latest
on: January 8, 2013, 09:20

Dear Elizabeth,


My path is my life. I love both the highways and the side roads of the path. As you may have noticed I almost enjoyed the road to nowhere.

Concerning politeness: it starts where spontaneity stops (I think the remark is from Lao Tse to Confucius).

I am looking forward to meeting you on your side road: we have the right guide with us.


Your friend Philippe


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