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weallone
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unholy struggle
on: December 13, 2010, 11:22

It really saddens me to see that mature adults, bow down to all these deluded bald monks who tend to live sheltered lives, away from the living chaotic energy of life. For it seems to me that being in the cauldron of life, is where your patience, your compassion and your so called "spirituality" become the measure of what's actually true of you.

I lived in ashrams etc.. and boy was i holy, it was only when all the repressed psychology needed an outlet, that my structured path became wobbly.( thank God for the wobblies, otherwise I could still be stuck in my projections and future expectations of spiritual wholeness}

Now all these monks and nuns see the wobbly as a weakness instead of the flow of life energy needing expression, and it gets labeled and suppressed,and they strive to overcome! My god what an unholy struggle ! How tragic that we feel someone has to be spiritual only when they wear robes or have an unpronounceable name from another culture, and chant in foreign languages..

The true spiritual greats are around us but don't advertise!!


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Re: unholy struggle
on: December 13, 2010, 16:00

Quote from weallone on December 13, 2010, 11:22

It really saddens me to see that mature adults, bow down to all these deluded bald monks who tend to live sheltered lives, away from the living chaotic energy of life. For it seems to me that being in the cauldron of life, is where your patience, your compassion and your so called "spirituality" become the measure of what's actually true of you.

I lived in ashrams etc.. and boy was i holy, it was only when all the repressed psychology needed an outlet, that my structured path became wobbly.( thank God for the wobblies, otherwise I could still be stuck in my projections and future expectations of spiritual wholeness}

Now all these monks and nuns see the wobbly as a weakness instead of the flow of life energy needing expression, and it gets labeled and suppressed,and they strive to overcome! My god what an unholy struggle ! How tragic that we feel someone has to be spiritual only when they wear robes or have an unpronounceable name from another culture, and chant in foreign languages..

The true spiritual greats are around us but don't advertise!!


Hypocrisy is the nature of self.

It evaporates in the stark light of truth.


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Re: unholy struggle
on: December 13, 2010, 18:40

Quote from weallone on December 13, 2010, 11:22

It really saddens me to see that mature adults, bow down to all these deluded bald monks who tend to live sheltered lives, away from the living chaotic energy of life. For it seems to me that being in the cauldron of life, is where your patience, your compassion and your so called "spirituality" become the measure of what's actually true of you.

I lived in ashrams etc.. and boy was i holy, it was only when all the repressed psychology needed an outlet, that my structured path became wobbly.( thank God for the wobblies, otherwise I could still be stuck in my projections and future expectations of spiritual wholeness}

Now all these monks and nuns see the wobbly as a weakness instead of the flow of life energy needing expression, and it gets labeled and suppressed,and they strive to overcome! My god what an unholy struggle ! How tragic that we feel someone has to be spiritual only when they wear robes or have an unpronounceable name from another culture, and chant in foreign languages..

The true spiritual greats are around us but don't advertise!!


Moller:


Weallone said:

>>For it seems to me that being in the cauldron of life, is where your patience, your compassion and your so called "spirituality" become the measure of what's actually true of you.>>


Yes. This is very true. J. Krishnamurti used to say something to the same effect: ' You only learn in relationship'. Somewhere else he added: 'In isolation one can very easily fool oneself'.


Weallone continue:


>>Now all these monks and nuns see the wobbly as a weakness instead of the flow of life energy needing expression, and it gets labeled and suppressed,and they strive to overcome!>>


This is a very acute observation! Once something gets labeled, it is given form, often with great status. Once accepted as per definition, it becomes something to deny, surpress, free oneself from, or, as you so rightly point out, to overcome!


But the sadness you refer to is in my view a reflection of our need as humans to have something(s), presumably greater and better than ourselves, to become identified with, lest we experience the naked emptiness of the struggle of the separate 'I'-sense (ego) in its self-declared state of separation from everything. This separate feeling of the ego drives us to madness, and part of this madness is our need for identification with holy names, robes,guru's, gods, etc. Rather than discovering for ourselves the true nature and status of the ego, in order to transcend it, we flounder in lesser states of ego-identification in the vain hope of freeing ourselves from this self-imposed unnecessary elaboration on our being.


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